tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post7918120614809938890..comments2024-03-25T18:27:37.374+00:00Comments on The Kissed Mouth: Fat is a Pre-Raphaelite IssueKirsty Stonell Walkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08342964877965021654noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-86623723438335261492012-10-03T06:19:44.322+01:002012-10-03T06:19:44.322+01:00Thanks for the comments :) Moyra: In fact I wrote...Thanks for the comments :) Moyra: In fact I wrote something similar, that Rossetti could never find a pudding he liked as much as Fanny's, but then laughed so much I felt ashamed of myself and changed it.<br /><br />See you in Bournemouth!Kirsty Stonell Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08342964877965021654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-50977408298283763782012-10-03T00:08:53.808+01:002012-10-03T00:08:53.808+01:00A very interesting post. Firstly, I think Fanny l...A very interesting post. Firstly, I think Fanny looks beautiful in the sketch, actually. Funnily enough I was thinking of commenting to you anyway as something Nigella Lawson said in the Radio Times tied in with something you wrote in "Stunner" - that Fanny may have equated thinness with illness and then death. After the sad family history of losing both her mother and sister to cancer, Nigella said just that same thing.<br />I never heard the bit about Rossetti liking Fanny's cooking - hilariously coinciding with that old chestnut from Johnnie Craddock "May all your puddings turn out like Fannie's"...<br />See you soon in Bournemouth! xMoyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06995361991804810774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-66030734380935817052012-10-01T20:32:13.527+01:002012-10-01T20:32:13.527+01:00Loved this post, thank you!
xLoved this post, thank you!<br /><br />xNatja's Natteringshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02345321471190596172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-34622300984988862692012-10-01T09:20:21.171+01:002012-10-01T09:20:21.171+01:00Terrific post and love the drawing of Fanny.Terrific post and love the drawing of Fanny.Hermeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00968366076064269729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-79719098463075765732012-09-28T08:39:36.202+01:002012-09-28T08:39:36.202+01:00Thank you very much for your comments. Yes, Burne...Thank you very much for your comments. Yes, Burne-Jones felt that fat women were ridiculous and yet used Fanny as a model in very sympathetic ways around the time of the pencil sketch at the top.<br /><br />I agree that virtually every other woman could not achieve the insanity of Skittles' waist, just as the majority of women can never be as tiny as Kate Moss (and wouldn't wish to be) yet Kate Moss could be said to be the 'ideal' due to the way she is treated in the media. Isn't it curious how it is possible to know what you are told to want isn't right for you yet still fall in with opinion that if you aren't this ideal, you are wrong. It both breaks my heart and infuriates me to hear women discuss this woman and that woman as being too fat, too old or, more often, too fat and old.<br /><br />Rebecca: Thank you for buying Stunner and I hope you enjoy it!<br /><br />Thanks everyone for your comments!Kirsty Stonell Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08342964877965021654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-18251346407939770602012-09-27T21:33:13.483+01:002012-09-27T21:33:13.483+01:00Great post! I just received your book on Fanny and...Great post! I just received your book on Fanny and I can't wait to read it.Rebecca Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02949373489997608629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-87372609813334011862012-09-27T21:19:07.930+01:002012-09-27T21:19:07.930+01:00In addition, I've seen the Big Woman depiction...In addition, I've seen the Big Woman depiction as part of the anti-suffrage propoganda, showing women as large, powerful, angry, aggressive, abusive to tiny, frail husbands. The concept there was, "This is what you'll get if you let them vote." Funny how that comes down to one group having power over another. Again.Marcia McCord Tarot Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01772054014365149283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-18621975855495013492012-09-27T20:38:58.707+01:002012-09-27T20:38:58.707+01:00There is also the issue of Burne-Jones' depict...There is also the issue of Burne-Jones' depiction of fat people in his caricatures. In fact, B-J's attitude to fat women, in particular, was really quite cruel. It is remarked up in many of the books I've read about him. I don't know what his feelings about Fanny were.<br /><br />This is a difficult issue, and one that has always made me a little uneasy as a Rubenesque lady myself. There were the later images, as well, of the skinny almost emaciated Aesthetic maidens drooping about in Punch cartoons, though I've never figured out where the skinny part is supposed to come from. Most of the real Aesthetic ladies and the illustrations by Crane and others were solid, if slim creatures. Portraits by Leighton and Dicksee of women in Aesthetic dress do not show them drooping, but rather as strong and proud. <br /><br />One the subject of corsets, for every one tight-lacing lady like Skittles, there were many more sensible ladies who wore their corsets less tightly, or wore reform corsets (with less boning and elastic taking the place of the usual infinity of corset stays). While we know those photos of Janey so well in her loose robes, there is one picture in the Debra Mancoff bio of Janey, that shows her in a corset, which she apparently wore to have a passport photo taken, according to Mancoff. So the corsets were there. <br /><br />At any rate, this is a thorny issue, and I really appreciate your tackling it in this very thoughtful way. My conclusion personally is that what makes me valuable are my thoughts and my deeds, not my outward appearance. Unfortunately, that has never been how the world wags. I don't know if it's human nature or what, but it seems that there is no getting away from the influence that the first outward impression of a person gives us. All we can do is to personally struggle to look past that initial judgement and find the real value within.<br /><br />(Sorry for the ramble, my brain's a bit scattered today!)Sphinxvictorianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06449864683506664769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-2688657322442061782012-09-27T20:32:33.149+01:002012-09-27T20:32:33.149+01:00Love. Brilliant post. Love. Brilliant post. kriswaldherrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17298611527301386868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-8439057914441531432012-09-27T20:29:49.466+01:002012-09-27T20:29:49.466+01:00I'm glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for your c...I'm glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for your comment :)Kirsty Stonell Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08342964877965021654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-50600409056528189532012-09-27T19:51:18.499+01:002012-09-27T19:51:18.499+01:00Great stuff! I really enjoyed reading this!Great stuff! I really enjoyed reading this!ianmac55https://www.blogger.com/profile/02082002867930846104noreply@blogger.com