tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post7226292205194499345..comments2024-03-25T18:27:37.374+00:00Comments on The Kissed Mouth: Oh, Manchester...Kirsty Stonell Walkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08342964877965021654noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-61294418580674413352018-02-07T05:51:43.099+00:002018-02-07T05:51:43.099+00:00Thank you everyone. Now that Hylas has been retur...Thank you everyone. Now that Hylas has been returned let's hope we can have a decent discussion about our attraction to this art without people getting shouty and dragging their own personal agenda into it...Kirsty Stonell Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08342964877965021654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-55033332002316247942018-02-07T05:48:21.599+00:002018-02-07T05:48:21.599+00:00I'm saying nothing, especially as I'm sure...I'm saying nothing, especially as I'm sure the rather dashing (but dead) Chatterton had nothing to do with my interest in Pre-Raphaelite art. Let's not open that can of worms...Kirsty Stonell Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08342964877965021654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-36678514303045091202018-02-06T18:50:10.988+00:002018-02-06T18:50:10.988+00:00Your post is well balanced. I could not agree more...Your post is well balanced. I could not agree more.anthony michael carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17980954144014243555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-9701946050378286422018-02-06T18:48:57.971+00:002018-02-06T18:48:57.971+00:00It was the Manchester Collection and my copy of Pr...It was the Manchester Collection and my copy of PreRaphaelite Sisterhood bought in the book shop that sparked my interest in the PreRaphaelites. Cannot recall that naked females played much of a role but perhaps I deceive myself?anthony michael carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17980954144014243555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-70365321642769974292018-02-05T09:29:16.732+00:002018-02-05T09:29:16.732+00:00Hello Kirsty! Thank you for writing a sensible pie...Hello Kirsty! Thank you for writing a sensible piece about this, I find I agree with absolutely everything you say. Good for MAG for wanting to encourage conversation about this, but a totally cack-handed and, yes, bandwagon-hitching way of going about it.<br /><br />(And I too feel sorry for the curator - you only have to be slightly idiotic in public life these days for the righteous howls to echo on and on across the internet.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-38634799646307775462018-02-04T08:47:00.041+00:002018-02-04T08:47:00.041+00:00I must admit that I did feel uncomfortable when I ...I must admit that I did feel uncomfortable when I saw the painting in the Waterhouse exhibition back at the RA in 2009 not the fact that they are nude but that they look so young. Having said that, I do agree with Mr Elfgoblin's Greenaway comments. What I find annoying is that it is typical that the gallery singles out a piece of victorian art for criticism. These are the people who would love to clear out the victorians and old masters and replace them with more modernist rubbish (often literally). The sort of people who appoint people who can barely draw as Royal AcademiciansWoofWoofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14142792485921452481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-34933628798602473962018-02-04T01:18:34.796+00:002018-02-04T01:18:34.796+00:00I thought i'd add this to the debate. It's...I thought i'd add this to the debate. It's from a letter written by Kate Greenaway to John Ruskin, published in A & C Black's biography of Greenaway, 1905 -<br /><br />""I went to the R.A. yesterday ... There is one picture I think beautiful. It is Hylas and the Water Nymphs - the water is covered in water-lilies and the girls' heads above the water suggest larger water-lilies somehow. They are beautiful and so is Hylas, so is the green water shaded with green trees - it is a beautiful picture - I forget the legend."<br /><br />Doesn't Greenaway articulate perfectly why it's so popular? I know I love the painting because of the nymphs and the greenness. As for poor Hylas,well, my eyes do occasionally wander towards him but they soon slip off him, as if he was a wet pebble, back towards the nymphs in the water with a plop!<br /><br />Nick ElfGoblinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-36229221534014844862018-02-03T12:27:29.009+00:002018-02-03T12:27:29.009+00:00Thanks. Perfect example of the deficiency and dang...Thanks. Perfect example of the deficiency and danger of Twitter. Good to get the real story behind the 140 character headline. But is the action of the museum just another example of our decent into a world of meaningless #soundbites? Heavens bless the blog.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01999496574714940510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-85128944726527109892018-02-03T05:08:31.499+00:002018-02-03T05:08:31.499+00:00Poor old Manchester, but at least they know how mu...Poor old Manchester, but at least they know how much we love their art (to a really scary level, apparently). Splendid!Kirsty Stonell Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08342964877965021654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-83547830656006705632018-02-03T05:06:24.665+00:002018-02-03T05:06:24.665+00:00Thanks Jan, I was being a tad flippant, you are ri...Thanks Jan, I was being a tad flippant, you are right. The Russell-Cotes in Bournemouth has a gorgeous Jezebel that Merton Russell-Cotes insisted had a blouse painted on her to make her decent. There is a discussion to be had certainly, it's just about how we have it.<br />Thanks for your comments (and for being marvellous, generally).Kirsty Stonell Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08342964877965021654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-38284057514723183302018-02-02T22:35:23.486+00:002018-02-02T22:35:23.486+00:00Dear Kirsty
Art has always provoked controversy an...Dear Kirsty<br />Art has always provoked controversy and discussion and hoorah for that. A world without art would be a bleak place indeed.<br />Manchester, for goodness' sake, get a grip!<br />Best wishes<br />EllieEllie Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12437259693600577503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441164155286448763.post-26408718480782697612018-02-02T20:25:15.690+00:002018-02-02T20:25:15.690+00:00Dear Kirsty
your mention of patrons buying naked ...Dear Kirsty<br /><br />your mention of patrons buying naked women pics 'to pop on [their] dining room wall' prompts me to articulate a thought about just how and why such paintings were purchased - which I think were not for dining or drawing rooms but for male smoking / billiard / study rooms.<br /> In one of the side bars at an old-style hotel in central London there's great example of a collection of titillating 19th cent pics like this and worse. Here it's not a private room, but probably in a wealthy home or club it would have been for men only. when the Forbes collection was displayed at Old Battersea House, these more risqué pics were gathered together on an upper floor and clustered in bathrooms, so as to be segregated from the rest of the Victorian art -this was a modern display, not a historic one, but informed by something of the same attitudes. Naked females in art were not intended for domestic display, but men liked them and paid for them, so artists produced them....<br />????Jan Marshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09241928547754184216noreply@blogger.com